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Thursday, 1 April 2010

On Faithless Preachers

Everyone's favorite atheist neuro-philosopher Daniel Dennett and colleague Linda LaScola present a paper on Preachers who are not Believers - Christian clergy who stopped believing in God, in some cases many years ago, but remain in their jobs.

It's well worth a read; it's free to access, and very well written. Dennett and LaScola interviewed five (anonymous) preachers, from a variety of American Protestant denominations. All have been atheists, or something very close to it, for some time. And all are, as you'd expect, "in the closet" about their lack of belief, although some have admitted it to selected colleagues and confidants.

Two things struck me about the five men's stories. First, they're all reasonably content with their situation. Partially this must reflect the selection criteria: this was designed as a study of faithless preachers, not ex-preachers. But it's also a testament to the fact that people can accommodate themselves to fulfill even the most contradictory of roles.

Most of these men would find it very difficult to quit, because their whole career, salary, friends, and in a couple of cases marriage, are bound up in the church. But most have come see their position as morally acceptable because they see Christianity as a force for good, even if the doctrines are wrong:
My first few years of doing this were wracked with, ‘God, should I be doing this? Is this ---? Am I being ---? Am I posing? Am I being less than authentic; less than honest?’ … And, I really wrestled with it and to some degree still. But not nearly as much. I will be the first to admit that I see Christianity as a means to an end, not as an end unto itself. And the end is very basically, a kind of liberal, democratic values.
Another says
I will say one strong aspect of any religion, I’d guess, that I’ve been in is the community life. You have great friends who are close; you can depend on them. When there’s hard times, financially, emotionally, whatever, you’ve got a support group.
The second thing that interested me was the idea that the faithless priest situation is a lot less unusual than you'd think. A recurring theme in the stories of these five is that their doubts started in seminary, when they were first introduced to archaeology and Biblical criticism, the historical and linguistic study of the Bible.

Now, it's quite difficult to study these things and remain a believer in the idea that the Bible is anything like the inerrant word of God. But most American churches, and not just the very liberal ones, require their clergy to take Masters level courses in them at seminary.

Rank and file church members don't have to do this and most don't, leaving them more free to hold stronger or literalist views. So the clergy are, paradoxically, often the ones with the most liberal i.e. least traditional interpretation of the things they preach:
A gulf opened up between what one says from the pulpit and what one has been taught in seminary. This gulf is well-known in religious circles.... Every Christian minister, not just those in our little study, has to confront this awkwardness, and no doubt there are many more ways of responding to it than our small sample illustrates. How widespread is this phenomenon? When we asked one of the other pastors we talked with initially if he thought clergy with his views were rare in the church, he responded “Oh, you can’t go through seminary and come out believing in God!” Surely an overstatement, but a telling one.
As someone who hasn't sat down in a church for a decade I don't really know how true this is. Maybe Dennett, LaScola and these five men are exaggerating the size of the "gulf" - but it sounds plausible. If so it suggests that these atheists are just the extreme end of a spectrum of more or less doubtful clergy.

19 comments:

Frugal Dougal said...

It's sad to see you participating in the radical militant atheist onslaught against members of Judaeo-Christian faith traditions.

Szwagier said...

There's nothing radical or militant about it. Reporting on priests who don't believe in god is not different to reporting on scientists who do.

Neuroskeptic said...

It's a bit different because when you sign up to be a scientist you don't take vows of atheism. But I'm not participating in any onslaught with this post. It's just an interesting human story.

Admittedly I did say "archaeology and Biblical criticism...it's quite difficult to study these things and remain a believer in the idea that the Bible is anything like the inerrant word of God." But I think a lot of Christians would agree. Including, so we're told, a lot of priests.

Szwagier said...

Sorry. I wasn't trying to start a fight, but when someone writes "radical" and "militant" about something that is neither, I feel compelled to react.

Of course, a more nuanced response would take account of what you say.

dearieme said...

Friends of ours had a daughter who "got religion" as a teenager. They were releived when she decided to do a theology degree, expecting that it would cure her. It did.

Kapitano said...

I assumed Frougal Dougal was being ironic. Poe's Law and so forth.

Both christian churches have, in my experience, a don't-ask-don't-tell policy about unbelief in their own ranks. With the results that:
(a) everyone knows there's a lot of unbelievers around
(b) no one can guess who or how many, and
(c) it only gets discussed in deniable whispers, between trusted friends.

When I signed on to a theology degree, I thought I'd be the only atheist around. After a year I was the only open atheist (but not the only open gay person :-)).

But from discussions with other seminarians, there would be at least a dozen others who had such a nebulous faith - in 'the universe' or 'human goodness' - that I'd call them atheists. None of them wanted to leave the church.

Szwagier said...

Frugal Dougal was not trolling. He was, however, mistaken.

doug said...

You say "it's quite difficult to study these things" (archaeology and Biblical criticism) "and remain a believer in the idea that the Bible is anything like the inerrant word of God."
I don't think you meant it to sound like "Well, anyone who actually knows anything about the Bible doesn't actually believe it, it's only the ignorant rubes in the pews".
BTW I heard the weatherman say this morning that the sun rose at 6:32 am, and now I don't believe what he says about whether it will rain, since he obviously has a pre-modern view of cosmology.

Kansas Scout said...

I am an example of this. By the time I got to the end of Seminary I pretty much quit believing in anything like what the Church taught about God and faith. I essentially no longer believed. I agonized over this because I had spent 8 years in college and Seminary preparing for this vocation. Now, after all that, you really find yourself thinking long and hard about just up and leaving. I did though. At the conclusion of my internship I got a divorce and left the ministry. Best thing I ever did. I regret wasting my time at it but thats the breaks. I have recovered a form of faith but still well short of what churchs talk about.

Kansas Scout said...

I forgot to mention in my first comment that it was very common to encounter others who likewise really did not believe either. I was in a Liberal "mainline" Presbyterian church and the liberals were and probably still are mostly non believers who are going through to motions.

petrossa said...

I've developed a theory which explains non-believing preachers quite well:

The brain believes, do You? were i theorize that brain circuitry forces people to believe against their better judgment.

Which can explain how come intelligent, scientific minded people still believe and believers stop to bleieve

http://www.neowin.net/forum/blog/316/entry-3080-the-brain-believes-do-you/

Anonymous said...

This passage really stuck in my mind: "I see Christianity as a means to an end, not as an end unto itself. And the end is very basically, a kind of liberal, democratic values."

What the speaker forgets is that the means *are* the ends. If we lie, cheat, and steal (or, god forbid worse) in order to achieve noble aims, we create the very hell we are trying to liberate ourselves from. This, I would have thought, was one of the key lessons of the 20th century. The goodly hearted made lampshades and soap. They also brought us command economies.

It's hard to articulate sensible arguments in favour of liberal democratic values. But lots of people have tried. And some of them have had decent success at it. Mill and Rawls come to mind, as do lots of more recent thinkers. Why not give ourselves the trouble of actually reading them? Maybe we can get together with our parishoners and talk about what Mill (or whoever) had to say?

And if it's wise stories that teach compassion and empathy that we are in need of then why not reach for Hans Christian Andersen? His tales sure beat that bronze-age nonsense most people seem to rely on.

In short, lies and a tribal mentality are never worth the price we ultimately pay.

AK47 said...

Nice blog, Neuroskeptic.

A.

John Gillmartin said...

Anecdotal evidence of disaffection and faux loyalty are apparent and provable in every field of human endeavor ... as the writer of Ecclesiastes said long ago "there is nothing new under the sun."

Like certain kinds of mold & fungi, intellectual dishonesty is everywhere always revealed and secreted - sadly it too is virtually impossible to eradicate.

A presuppositional statement sans the study would have accomplished as much.

John Gillmartin said...

PS: it was, is and always will be a question of faith (assurance of things hoped for and evidence of things not see) rather than sight (empirical knowledge).

Ray Davis said...

"Religion" is a post-facto classification applied to extremely complex and varied bundles of cultural norms-and-deviations. What's gotten abstracted as "the propositional expression of an individual's belief" is just one particular strand, not necessarily the most important one, and sometimes never broached at all. So I find it no more surprising that a "religiously observant" person might become detached from that strand than that a "deist" might avoid organized churches, or that a "rationalist" might behave emotionally.

Anonymous said...

How about a story on "Our Faithless Psychiatrists?" You know, those colleagues of ours who push pills on patients but secretly have no belief in their efficacy? I know more than a few of these Philistine Psychiatrists!

Neuroskeptic said...

Anonymous: I would eagerly write about that if I heard from any...

mrG said...

It is an interesting story, don't let anyone tell it you it is not (I know you won't) but there is something I think you may not be getting about this anomaly, and if I may be so bold, I would suggest your collision with the a priori fact reminds me of Darwin being confronted with the wasp that injects its egg into a live caterpillar -- ok, that should confuse everyone totally :)

But here's my point: Why must there needs be ANY connection between faith in (or experience of) God and faith in Religion? Think carefully before you answer that. One is experiential the other is pragmatic, one is private, the other is social. Thousands of disconnects with plenty of room for fun.

Here's a corollary story that I would like you to ponder: I read recently of medical researches becoming astounded at the true breadth and scope of the so-called 'placebo' effect, and that had put them into a (Western) quandry: As 'healers' they know they must give out sugar pills to 'heal' their patients, yet as 'scientists' they felt it 'unethical' to do so without spoiling the placebo by telling the patient they had just been given a fake (albeit still expensive) pill!

Think about that. Is it unethical to lie to people if the 'lie' heals them whereas the 'truth' would not? Is it then really a 'lie' or is it a truth that we, in our giddy quest for 'science' do not fully understand? The Chinese doctor will merely hand the patient a prescription, written in code like our latin prescriptions used to be, and the patient will take it on the assumption the Dr Knows Best.

We, on the other hand, in our Holier Than Thou agnosticism, are unable to do so without feeling Protestant Guilt :)