Friday, 15 July 2011

Violent Brains In The Supreme Court

Back in June, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that a Californian law banning the sale of violent videogames to children was unconstitutional because it violated the right to free speech.

However, the ruling wasn't unanimous. Justice Stephen Breyer filed a dissenting opinion. Unfortunately, it contains a whopping misuse of neuroscience. The ruling is here. Thanks to the Law & Neuroscience Blog for noticing this.

Breyer says (on page 13 of his bit)
Cutting-edge neuroscience has shown that “virtual violence in video game playing results in those neural patterns that are considered characteristic for aggressive cognition and behavior.”
He then cites this fMRI study from 2006. It's from the same group as this one I wrote about recently.

Breyer quotes this study as part of a discussion of the evidence linking violent video game use to violence. I have nothing to say about this, but I will point out than the fact that violent crime fell heavily in America after 1990, which is when the Super Nintendo and Sega Megadrive were invented.

Anyway, does this study show that playing violent games causes aggressive brain activity? Not exactly. By which I mean "no".

They scanned 13 young men playing a shooter game. The main finding was that during "violent" moments of the game, activity in the rostral ACC and the amygdala activity falls. At least this is the interpretation the authors give.

OK, but even if this neural response is "characteristic for aggressive cognition and behavior", it only lasted a few seconds. There's no evidence at all that this causes any lasting effects on brain function, or behaviour.

The real problem though is that the whole thing is based on the theory that violence is associated with reduced amygdala (and rACC) activity.

The authors cite various studies to this effect, but they don't distinguish between reduced activity as an immediate neural response to violence, as in this study, and reduced activity in people with high exposure to violent media, in response to non-violent stimuli.

This is rather like saying that because having a haircut reduces your total hair, and because bald people have no hair, haircuts cause baldness. Short-term doesn't automatically become long-term.

Besides, the whole idea that amygdala deactivation = violence is a bit weird because they used to destroy people's amydalas to reduce violent aggression in severe mental and neurological illness:
Different surgical approaches have involved various stereotactic devices and modalities for amygdaloid nucleus destruction, such as the injection of alcohol, oil, kaolin, or wax; cryoprobe lesioning; mechanical destruction; diathermy loop; and radiofrequency lesioning...
Lovely. It even worked sometimes, apparantly. Although it killed 4% of people. You can't reduce the activity of a region much more than by destroying it, yet destroying the amygdala reduced violence, or at the very least, didn't make it worse.

The truth is that aggression isn't a single thing. Everyone knows that there are two main kinds, "in cold blood" and "in the heat of the moment". Killing someone in a spontaneous bar brawl is one thing, but carefully planning to sneak up behind them and stab them is quite another.

Just based on what we know about the rare cases of amygdala-less people, I would imagine that destroying the amygdala would reduce violence "in the heat of the moment", which is motivated by anger and fear. The kind of patients who got this surgery seem to have been that kind of violent person, not the cold calculating kind.

So, even if violent video games reduced amygdala activity long term, that would probably reduce some kinds of violence.

ResearchBlogging.orgWeber, R., Ritterfeld, U., & Mathiak, K. (2006). Does Playing Violent Video Games Induce Aggression? Empirical Evidence of a Functional Magnetic Resonance Imaging Study Media Psychology, 8 (1), 39-60 DOI: 10.1207/S1532785XMEP0801_4

13 comments:

Usethebrains Godgiveyou said...

Recently saw a proposed idea that the decrease in violence was due to reduction in lead. Not sure what to think.

Neuroskeptic said...

Yeah, that's one theory, others say it might be abortion, others say more imprisonment, there's so many ideas. There's a good discussion of this in the comments on an old post of this old post.

Actually, part of the decline might be due to video games. Video games are heavily used by young males. Young males also account for the great majority of violence. By getting them "off the streets" and safely indoors, games could well have prevented crime (TV and the Internet, likewise) time spent playing games is time you can't get into a fight.

petrossa said...

I wonder how much of this is the effect of the disastrous parenting style of the last decades.

In order for the frontal lobes to do their work they need to be trained from early on during their development.

Due to the anti child abuse overkill reaction during/after the 70's children aren't on the whole disciplined properly.

Action and consequence have become vague, and not intense enough to cause the necessary neural network changes in the forebrain.

In the good old day (my days ofcourse) my grandmother had this knack of educating you that really worked.

"What? Crying?, SLAP!!!, here now you have something to cry about"

Whilst at the time i was less then appreciative i know in hindsight realize that what ails modern society is undisciplined, virtually untouchable youngsters.

Fully aware that if an adult so much as considers to lay a finger on them that adult gets smacked with a courtcase they are totally beyond control.

Here is a link to a dutch clip showing what i mean. It's a 16 year old on a scooter without helmet mocking a motorcop to the point of total rage.

And winning the contest. (dutch but the language isn't important)

http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/473391/9e7a88f0/motoragent_vs._scooterklootzakje.html

These are not incidents but standard practice.

And then we wonder why kids become more violent? Ofcourse they do, they have no impulse control.

Sam McNerney said...

This case really boggles my mind. Dating back to the Tippy Gore versus Dee Snider/Frank Zappa days - when parents started to become concerned that what their kids were listening to could influence negative behavior - there has not been a legitimate study to show that violence in music or video games causes violence in real life.

I understand that parents are parents, but let's be rational here and look at the data.

By the way, here is a great video of Zappa testifying before Al Gore. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxB-ZePpS7E)

Christina said...

Given the role of the amygdala in forming emotional memories, I wonder if the decline in activity is actually due to the player's knowledge that the violence is fantasy? That is, the amydala is being suppressed by some other part of the brain to prevent inappropriate associations from being formed!

Unknown said...

@petrossa

As Neuroskeptic points out, violence is decreasing. This is mostly carried by a decrease in adolescent violence.

What's interesting about the movie you post is (I speak Dutch) that the scooter driver is from the Moroccan community. The boy may be an exception, but within this community the hard discipline and parenting style you mention is still common. If hard parenting would be the answer to more obedience and civility on the street, one would expect the Moroccan community to be famous because of its respect for authority.

Then again, it's not at all clear what happened before the movie capture started, so even as anecdotal evidence the film is a poor example.

petrossa said...

@vincent

I don't know were you get your information from that violence is decreasing but it sure is increasing, in randomness, callousness and frequency.

Hard parenting is absent in cultures that changed environment. The example you allude to, morrocans are in their own culture educated by the entire community not so much by their parents.

If you transplant that culture to a western culture were freedom reigns the children aren't corrected by the community. The result is such as on the film.

Furthermore form the dutch serious youth crimes the morrocans and antillians are hugely overrepresented.

This an across the political spectrum accepted fact based on policerecords which the government is at loss how to deal with.

This for example is a government study from 2007 (in dutch, obviously):
http://www.wodc.nl/onderzoeksdatabase/hoofdstuk-criminaliteit-voor-de-rapportage-integratie.aspx?nav=ra&l=criminaliteit_en_delic

The abstract ran through google translator:

Summary

A comparison of rates between natives and suspected non-Western immigrants shows that the crime aspect of the integration issue is not too rosy terms. In 2004, non-Western immigrants compared to natives more than three times as often as suspicious by the police. Of the big four "classic" non-Western ethnic groups were most often registered as suspects Antilles and Turks the least often. Even after adjusting for a number of socio-economic background variables, the probability of a crime suspect is still substantially higher for the four major classical non-western foreign groups. This mainly involves the large overrepresentation of second-generation Moroccans and Antilleans in the first generation. This research was published as a chapter in the SCP report integration Yearbook 2007.

pseudonymoniae said...

@petrossa


"...[violence] sure is increasing, in randomness, callousness and frequency."

Do you have any studies to back this assertion up? Moreover, what evidence do you have to suggest that "hard" parenting is actually beneficial, based upon measures such as violence rates or really any measure of societal well-being?

In contrast, my understanding is that there is correlation between parenting style and life outcome, indicating that either neglectful or forceful parenting is strongly associated with negative life outcomes. Admittedly, this correlation is confounded by many other factors which could produce poor life outcomes, including low SES, but it still runs counter to your assertion that the corporal punishment practiced in the "good ol' days" should still be allowed. On the other hand, you're probably right on one count: beating your kids will certainly make them obedient... but in a society which purportedly values creativity and freedom of expression, this hardly sounds like a good parenting style.

pseudonymoniae said...

I probably should have noted that the effect of parenting style on outcomes sometimes differs between cultures... but that gets into rather complex issues about how certain behaviours (such as smacking your kid for disobedience) are perceived, and about the kind of behaviour we expect from people in our society. In western culture, independence is typically valued over obedience, suggesting a possible explanation for why authoritarian parenting might be less effective in our society than in others.

petrossa said...

@vincent

Usually one reads only what one wants read. It's not hard to find:

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=youth+violence+europe&btnG=Search&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_ylo=2010&as_vis=0

You can sort it out yourself.

Furthermore you are straw-manning like there's no tomorrow.

"On the other hand, you're probably right on one count: beating your kids will certainly make them obedient."

is not exactly the same as a corrective smack across the bottom.

You didn't address my position that the neural networks need instant reinforcement. Instead you allude to vague socio-pseudo science.

It really really very simple. Humans like any other animal with a nervous system need direct feedback after an action to cause the necessary feedback for the neural networks to form correctly.

This whole new-age stuff about
"but in a society which purportedly values creativity and freedom of expression, " doesn't apply to unformed brains.

The last thing they need is freedom. They need a strict cadre of feedback for installing the proper sense of what's wrong and what's right.

Once the brain has fully developed then one can enjoy freedom based on a solid basis of a fully functioning forebrain.

Children aren't humans, they are pre-humans.

Usethebrains Godgiveyou said...

>>>You didn't address my position that the neural networks need instant reinforcement<<<

Exactimundo...I find this made all the difference in parenting. It is a selfish endeavor actually. You give feedback and then it is OVER until the next feedback. Shaping, rather than punishing, using to rod to guide, rather than beat.

Although my gentle mother was known to use the ping-pong paddle when we were younger, she taught that a slap in the face was wrong, it was an affront to the individual. Our individuality is housed in the mind.

Thanks for reading.

veri said...

Violent video games should be banned full stop. It's primitive.

Petrossa, children are humans.. the better part mind you.

Emmy said...

Has anyone compared violent tendencies in youth who spend all day starting at video games vs. youth who have few hours on computers plus spend more time outdoors? From what I understand (sorry, too tired / lazy to post the studies I heard about) staring at a computer screen and clicking around on the internet can negatively affect people's patience and give people headaches, etc etc, whereas spending time outdoors or with more "zen" activities does the opposite. Maybe violence is not directly linked to video games, but I'd like to see how staring at a computer all day affects us all.