
While the Haiti earthquake is terrible, the winter death toll in Britain will be similar. No aid here though. ... Individuals should give whatever they feel appropriate, but Britain is bankrupt. 50,000 pensioners will die of cold this winter.Remarks which were surpassed in their intelligence and perspicacity only by his next ones:
Here's a late night ? While all mammals fart, what about reptiles, amphibians & marsupuals? I reckon kangeroos must as they eat leaves. But crocodiles? Can any Aussie followers enlighten us? (sic)Now obviously he's a horrible racist, etc, but we knew that already. He's the head of the BNP, that's his job. What's really scary and offensive is that no-one's called him out on his claim that 50,000 British pensioners will die of cold this winter.
The BBC, in their story, report Griffin's remarks, and in opposition, only quote Labour politician Glenis Willmott as saying that
Yes, people will die here this winter, even though the Labour government set up a welfare state that spends billions to help prevent too many deaths. Our government and local councils are quite rightly funded to do all they can to help everyone suffering from the cold. But I am also proud that our government will do all it can to help the people in Haiti ...In other words, conceding his point. The reader is left with the impression that Griffin is basically correct. The truth is rather less dramatic. Griffin is referring to the statistics on excess winter deaths, of which there were 36,700 last winter, or rather 50,000 if you can only count in multiples of the numbers of fingers you have. We know this thanks to this website which provides all the stats, and specifically this report.
The excess winter deaths figure is simply winter deaths – average non-winter deaths, "winter" being December to March. So it's the number of "extra" deaths in those 4 months, compared to the average death rate for the other 8 months of the year. Because it turns out that more people die in winter than other times in the year -


Edit: Still further evidence that the excess winter mortality is not "deaths from cold" is the fact that there was no correlation between average winter temperature and the number of excess deaths over the past 10 years:

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A more interesting statistic would be potential years of life lost, i.e. average expected life span (of specific country) minus average age of death, multiplied by number of deaths.
I think Haiti may be significantly higher in that measurement.
Isn't that the whole point of winter fuel payments?
Not trying to question your point (I fully agree), but technically, 37600 is a multiple of the number of fingers *I* have.
pj: Yep, which everyone over 60 is entitled to. Interestingly they were £20 a year per household in 1997, until Labour raised it to £100 in 1999 and to £200 in 2000.
You can certainly see Griffin's point though: given that the UK population aged over 60 is roughly 10 million, the £6m Haiti aid would be an extra 60p each - enough to buy a handful of coal, or a few newspapers to burn.
thanks .. an excellent example for my Maths Lit class on dishonest stats .. much appreciated.
The Beeb generate a mountain of stories every day and doesn't have time to go into detail for every single story and so publish a quick cut and paste "he said, she said" article. And if the Beep explained the facts then, in their minds eye, it would open themselves up to being accused of bias by criticising Nick Griffins comments.
My question is this, Why is the BNP allowed to exist? when its core policies are by any measure a violation of basic human dignity and respect, when the vast majority of the British public find their policies repugnant, and when we live in an age of extreme political correctness, with politicians willing to implement any hair brained policy to satisfy their obsession with public opinion.
bill: No doubt their heavy workload is why this story was so bad, but they shouldn't have reported on it at all, really. It's hardly news. A lot of politicians use Twitter to comment on stuff. And if they're going to report every time Nick Griffin says something controversial, for want of reporting on actual news, they should just go the whole hog and syndicate his Twitter feed.
Unrelated but I think you ought to give a read to this: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/10/magazine/10psyche-t.html?pagewanted=1&em
What a bloody moron that man is.
That's an excellent 7 word summary of my post. or indeed of Griffin's biography.
Life expectancy in Haiti is marginally over 60, UK just short of 80.
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