Serotonin (5HT) and glutamate are two neurotransmitters. Up until now, it was thought that they acted independently. A given neuron might have receptors for both serotonin and glutamate, but they didn't interact: serotonin would never affect the glutamate receptors, and vice versa.
The new research overturns that view. Authors Miguel Fribourg and colleagues of Mount Sinai School of Medicine show, in a series of elegant experiments in mice, that different receptors can cluster together, forming a complex. The two receptors, serotonin's 5HT2A and glutamate's mGluR2, can talk to each other.
However, this doesn't seem to happen under normal conditions. Serotonin and glutamate don't seem to trigger the receptor interaction, or at least not very much. Only certain drugs can do it. And this is where it gets really interesting.
Psychedelic drugs, like LSD, have long been thought of as 5HT2A agonists, binding to the receptor and activating it. It turns out that this was only half right. They also inhibit mGluR2 transmission via the receptor complex. Serotonin itself is a 5HT2A agonist, but it doesn't do that. So psychedelics seem to be a kind of (for want of a better word) "superagonist".
It also works in reverse. The antipsychotic drugs clozapine and risperidone are known as 5HT2A antagonists. But Fribourg et al show that they also activate the mGluR2 receptor.
And the cross-talk can go in the other direction. Certain molecules that act on mGluR2 can either inhibit or promote 5HT2A. Unlike psychedelics and antipsychotics, these mGluR2 drugs have not been tested in humans yet. But these data predict that they will have psychedelic-like or antipsychotic-like effects, depending which way they work.
The interaction turns out to be all about G proteins, which are part of the chain of transmitter substances that convey signals within the cell, in response to neurotransmitters outside it. Here's a chart showing the effects of various drugs on the balance between different G proteins: the LSD-like psychedelic DOI has the opposite effect from the antipsychotics clozapine and risperidone.
This paper builds on a previous one from the same team showing that psychedelic 5HT2A "agonists" (like LSD and DOI) have different effects on G proteins from other, non-psychedelic agonists. That was interesting in itself but by adding glutamate to the picture, this new paper is really ground-breaking.
This goes a long way to explaining one of the mysteries of serotonin which is this: if 5HT2A agonists like LSD are psychedelic, why aren't antidepressants the same? Almost all antidepressants work by increasing extracellular 5HT levels. That ought to mean that they activate 5HT2A receptors (indirectly). This explains why not - 5HT alone doesn't promote the crucial 5HT2A-mGluR2 interaction.
Taken together, these interesting results show clearly that 5HT2A and mGluR2 are hooking up and doing something exciting. Certainly in terms of how hallucinogens work.
I'm less convinced that this can directly explain antipsychotic effects though. The problem is that while newer "atypical" antipsychotics act on 5HT2A, the older antipsychotics don't, and atypicals are at best only slightly more effective on average.
What we don't yet know is whether this kind of complex receptor interactions can happen with other receptors. I'd have thought it unlikely that these two receptors were the only ones that could ever do it. The synapse looks like it's more complex than we could have imagined.


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"But these data predict that they will have psychedelic-like or antipsychotic-like effects, depending which way they work."
Ah! Ah! Interesting, new psychedelics...
neuroskeptic,
I will pass my turn on that post of yours for fear of insulting one of your anonymouses.
Crossing my fingers that one of your bright and charming anonymouses will remenber that the Gary Grant famous actor said that LSD under his psychiatrist supervision sessions made him able to overcome psychiatric difficulties. At a time when psychiatrists use of LSD was not illegal when now the few psychiatrists wanting to use it even for clinical research are having a very hard time.
I've been struggling with cluster headaches for which LSD is one of only known treatments that actually end a headache cycle...might be interesting if this could shed light on that!
Anonymous #1: You may have to wait a while to get them though, because I can't see Pharma showing much interest. Not when they could be making lucrative new antipsychotics.
Then again, nowadays underground chemists are inventing new cannabinoids a lot faster than "proper" scientists so maybe they'll be the ones to bring this to market...
My understanding is that LSD is not a super-agonist but a partial-agonist of serotonin. Yes, it binds to serotonin receptors, but once there it blocks the uptake of serotonin. That's exactly why its effects are the opposite of SSRIs'... Rather than promote the "filtration" of information due to serotonin, which might help if you're feeling depressed, it stops it. So you get too much information. Which you know, if you've ever done psychedelics, describes the experience quite well. That's also why LSD and anti-psychotics have opposite effects. LSD is more like psychosis than its reverse.
LSD, delirium tremens and other "organic psychosis: rich visual hallucinations: seing things and halos around light. LSD: Reputation to be a very strong help to overcome resistant depression and headaches.
Schizophrenia, amphetamines , : auditory hallucinations much more frequent,
Schizophrenia,sometimes cocaine: cenesthesics hallucinations
This clinical touch is not intended to offend any activist of any sort.
Dopamine type 1 (D1) and glutamate NMDA receptors have bee known for some time to physically interact, and reciprocally modulate ones another's activity.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16670371
May a timid clinician add that LSD hallucinations are also very different from the hallucinations of schizophrenia sufferers because often the LSD makes people know that they are having visual hallucinations
When what so many health practitionners and family alike of schizophrenic person tend to ignore - in my opinion and experience- is that those clients with acute untreated psychosis understand very well and very quickly that you think they should be receiving antipsychotics but they do not think they are hallucinating at all.
For chronic schizophrenic clients the trouble is that they know the side-effects of the drug and have difficulty in trusting you to want anything else than keeping them quiet.
"I will pass my turn on that post of yours"
Promises, promises...
Dear Roger,
I am sorry but a French activist I am learning from on th oct 2011 post of NS on packing of self-harming autistic children makes me check that blog.
Obvious anyway that the clinicians knowledge is not taken into account by neuroscientist: LSD intoxication and schizophrenia cannot similar for a clinician.
When I was young it was dogma that sexuals steroids hormones couldn't act on the brain not matter how much some schizphrenic ladies worsened slightly before menstruating.
The clinicians wont on that one.
neuroskeptic and other anony mouses neuroscientists,
I was expecting an answer to my humble clinician remarks adding weight to NS doubts regarding advance in SZ understanding by this fascinating study
but also pointing to the fact that delirium tremens and other organic psychosis (like the septicemia post-partum psychosis etc..)share rich visual hallucinations with LSD -although DT and organic psychosis are living in their hallucinated world very convinced that what they see is 100 % real.
If it is not possible to attract an answer of yours by stating clinical facts,can I remenber that I have been trained as a psychopharmacologist and put it that way in the hope of an answer:
Alcohol metabolites do many things to the brain one being that
chronic exposure gradually makes the NMDA receptors hypersensitive to glutamate while desensitizing the GABAergic receptors.
Some believe it the cause the state of excitation characteristic of alcohol withdrawal, delirium tremlens being an extreme form.
(of course it is also believed that chronic alcoholism increase the release of dopamine, by a process that is still poorly understood but that appears to involve curtailing the activity of the enzyme that breaks dopamine down).
Can I get your opinion on that?
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